Metafilter Podcast, Episode 119: "We're Very Helpful You're Here" (2016-08-04)

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jessamyn:
We need to just take a minute and be like (serenely), "relax your mind."
Jingle:
(theme song)
cortex:
Well, hey, welcome! To another episode -
of Best of the Web, the Metafilter monthly podcast. This is episode 119, we're recording this on August 4th and covering everything up after July 1st. I am Josh Millard, a.k.a. cortex.
jessamyn:
And I'm Jessamyn, a.k.a. jessamyn!
cortex:
And yeah, we're talking about stuff! Things and stuff! Stuff--
jessamyn:
Stuff that happened last month.
cortex:
Yes. That's the premise. [laughing] That is our premise.
jessamyn:
It's early in the day, instead of late at night.
cortex:
We just had 10 minutes of completely natural, you know, warm-up chatter and "hey, how ya doin'?" and now I'm like "...and now talking! I figure how--how talk to."
jessamyn:
[laughs] "I'm not good with words." Well, and it's funny, right? 'Cause the last time I spoke with you, we weren't doing Metafilter stuff at all, we were doing the Crapshoot podcast with churl.
cortex:
Right, right. Right.
jessamyn:
Which, did you listen to it? 'cause I don't...
c:I have not listened to it. I need to go back and listen to it. And for once, as much as I never listen to the podcasts I record,
I wanna listen to this one, because--
jessamyn:
*I* listened to it.
cortex:
Jesse--Jesse spent a lot of time trying to figure out what to do with it, and it sounds like it was a big editing job, and so I'm kinda really curious how it all came together, but I just haven't set aside the time to go through it again.
jessamyn:
Well, I listened to it entirely, and the only thing I will tell you, as far as spoilers go, is that *entire* trivia bit we did at the end--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
...is GONE.
cortex:
Yeah? Yeah? It was a nice idea, but...
jessamyn:
Maybe he's gonna save it for something else.
'Cause Jesse made a whole bunch of trivia questions--I don't even remember what the conceit was? He had done it for a friend's something?
cortex:
Yeah, I don't remember either.
jessamyn:
And so Josh and I did some head-to-head trivia stuff, which was *super fun* and challenging, and you know, he's real good at it, and I'm okay at it, but I think maybe it--
cortex:
I think you are way overselling me and underselling you.
jessamyn:
See, everybody says that, but I'm fairly certain I experienced the same thing, but...
cortex:
I think we were head-and-head for the first pile of questions, and then you definitely started to break away after that, was my memory
of it.
jessamyn:
See, I remember it the exact opposite.
cortex:
In any case, it was a lot of fun, but it turns out that it doesn't make great radio to have people answering trivia head-to-head over the phone, essentially, so yeah.
jessamyn:
Well, and you guys were drinking, and I was not drinking, and it was really late at night.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
So, it's nice to talk to you when you're more awake and I'm more awake.
cortex:
Yeah, exactly!
jessamyn:
And neither of us are drinking. I *think*.
cortex:
No, no, I--well, I'm drinking water, I'm drinking tea.
jessamyn:
I had coffee.
cortex:
I'm drinking in the love and humanity of the world
that has been, you know, brought to the forefront by the U.S. election season.
jessamyn:
Yeah! And Josh just did a whole bunch of nice things for people, like helped his mother-in-law with the floor, and helped some friends move.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Good guy. And I had a whole bunch of people come to visit, and it all went well, instead of me having my Internet-person reaction, where I'm like--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
..."Oh, my friends, I love them so much, when will they go home?" I just had a great time having people come visit.
cortex:
Excellent. Excellent.
jessamyn:
Yeah! It was.
cortex:
Well, it's episode 119. Is there anything about 119 to say?
jessamyn:
Hey! HEYYY!
cortex:
Hey!
Hey girl!
jessamyn:
119 is 5 consecutive prime numbers, added up together! The primes 17 through 31 inclusive!
cortex:
Nice.
jessamyn:
Yes! It has some other *dumb* things to it that nobody cares about. And... but it's also the default port for unencrypted NMTP, which is my favorite.
cortex:
Is it... did people do encrypted NMTP, where it's like "I wanna read the news, but NO ONE CAN KNOW ABOUT IT?"
jessamyn:
I don't even know!
cortex:
I mean, I shouldn't--people should encrypt anything they want. I don't mean to actually give any crap about that, but at the same time, I have a hard time imagining, like--
jessamyn:
Really? Your NMTP? Really? Yeah.
cortex:
Yeah, it's--you've already made the questionable decision to spend time on Usenet.
jessamyn:
Dude, shut up! Usenet's the best!
cortex:
[laughs] Oh, no, no, yeah it is, and I've spent a lot of time there too, but--
jessamyn:
It's like an abandoned castle!
cortex:
Yeah, I know. It's just like, you know. Just... like... I don't know. I've got nowhere to go with this.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
But that is interesting!
Apparently I've never paid attention to Usenet ports, 'cause that didn't ring a bell.
jessamyn:
Well, and to be honest, I don't pay that much attention to it either, I'm just kinda paying attention to Wikipedia. The other thing on Wikipedia that I thought was interesting about 119, is Project 119 is this government project from the People's Republic of China, trying to raise the amount of medals that Chinese athletes won during the 2008 Olympics, so that they targeted sports
that Chinese athletes have historically not done as well at, and kind of worked on this.
cortex:
Oh, okay. This was a project *at the time*, or leading up to--
jessamyn:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
cortex:
I was interpreting it as "trying to raise in retrospect the number of--" and I was like, "Wow! That is some strange rules-lawyering shit right there."
jessamyn:
Well, and I'm not sure, I can't really tell 'cause of course I'm just skimming, if it's a thing that they still do... uh.. [reading] "legacy..." Yeah, I guess it's sort of an ongoing thing that they're doing.
And they won the second-largest amount of gold medals in London 2012, AND THE OLYMPICS START TOMORROW!
cortex:
Oh yes, they do.
jessamyn:
Olympics. I mean, maybe they do.
cortex:
Presumably they do.
jessamyn:
Who knows, right?
cortex:
I haven't been following too close. I've been vaguely aware of some of the clusterfucky aspects, and you know, one of these years there's just gonna be the most dull, completely unexceptional Olympics, and people just won't know what to do.
jessamyn:
Well, I mean, the London Olympics were normal.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Right?
cortex:
Yeah, I guess I don't remember anything super crazy there.
jessamyn:
No, I mean, they were just kinda perfect. Like, the opening ceremony was amazing, and everybody felt moderately good about the whole thing, and--maybe I'm repressing something truly terrible that happened.
cortex:
But maybe that's exactly the thing I'm thinking. "What if there was a normal Olympics?" Oh, it turns out if there is, I just forget.
jessamyn:
[laughs] Right. And Sochi was ridiculous, and this is ridiculous, but I like kinda following along with the Olympics at home sometimes.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
You know, you can get Canadian TV here, and so you can watch not just Americans being Americans.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Which I enjoy.
cortex:
Well, we sorta chatted about what to do about the Olympics on the site, and whether maybe we'll do an open thread on FanFare, sort of thing, so I think we'll be figuring out the next day or so, as it--
jessamyn:
Oh, for like co-watching the Olympics!
cortex:
Yeah, we'll it's real tricky, 'cause there's such a spoilery aspect to it. You know, it's like if--you have literally no idea when people are gonna see this notionally live event, and people care about finding out, and it's time-shifted by hours, or you know--
jessamyn:
And it really kind of matters who wins, but by the same token, like, who wins is gonna determine who's even playing in the next thing, so by the time the next thing happens, even saying so-and-so's competing is implying that they won in the last thing.
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah, so it's tricky. I think there's sort of an inclination to liveblog because it's sort of a live TV event, but then it's not exactly live, because people are seeing it at different times, so I imagine there will be a fair amount of discussion about that in the next 24-48 hours as we sort of hash out what to do.
jessamyn:
Very exciting! Well, I'm glad you spent some time talking to me instead of fuckin' around with that, and you've got 2 hours basically off of US politics.
cortex:
Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm sure we'll talk more about that, but hey, let's do this--
jessamyn:
I have nothing to say about it, so--
cortex:
Yeah, well.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
I think I probably have meta things to say about it mostly. Probably in the form of sighs.
SFX:
[both laugh]
cortex:
But let's talk briefly of Jobs. There were several jobs posted last month. I am particularly fond of this one from ursus_comiter. COM-itter?
jessamyn:
Oh, of course.
cortex:
CO-miter? COM-itter?
cortex:
I liked this one from ursus_comiter...comiter?
jessamyn:
Oh of course!
cortex:
...comyter? Comiter? Uh...
jessamyn:
comiter?
cortex:
...art commission for Fiasco RPG Playset, and I'm...I'm excited about this both for the premise of it and because I think Fiasco has need... and I think I rambled about it on a previous podcast, but the short version is Pia..Fiasco's kind of a, uh, storytelling collaborative role-playing game in the sort of heist film, or Cohen Brothers film genre, so you're sort of collectively taking turns telling a story about, like, a heist gone wrong or some similar sort of, like, you know, gritty oh man
cortex:
about like a heist gone wrong or some similar sort of, like, you know, gritty oh man...
jessamyn:
Oh this is Phredd!
cortex:
...everything just gets worse...
jessamyn:
Oh God I'm such a dip. I know Phredd and I completely keep forgetting he's also ursus_comiter who I have met.
cortex:
Ah.
jessamyn:
Now I have to add him as a contact because I met him last Summer. Sorry, go on.
cortex:
There you go! Anyway, uh, Fiasco's, ah, traditional cover art has been sort of a Saul Bass sort of thing, um, with that, you know, angular font and the, the sorta striking flat illustrations and so, uh, ursus_comiter is looking for someone to do
cortex:
so ursus_cometer is looking for someone to do that up for the playset that they've put together.
jessamyn:
And he's great, so I can thumbs-up, working with him is probably delightful. I enjoyed meeting him last summer.
cortex:
If you're arty and doing up a Saul Bass-y thing sounds up your alley, BOOM, there you go, get on it.
jessamyn:
Great! And for those of you who also like just general web stuff, LegallyBread is looking for someone to help them just manage and maintain a website, who can do Squarespace on a contract level. In Ontario. Easy peasy.
cortex:
And this is a, "This is you or it's not you," but if it is you, hey, help 'em out, there-mix? the-remix? The Reeeeemix! Ohhhh, parsing usernames.
jessamyn:
Yeah, I always thought it was three-mix, until I decided to read all the letters.
cortex:
Yeah, I was gonna say three-mix, and then was like, "oh but no, I should look closer." I wonder if there's also a three-mix. What if this is one of those subtle username things? Anyway. Thereemix needs help figuring out a bass tab. So...
jessamyn:
Well, you know, Jim could probably--I mean, Jim doesn't need work, but...
There are probably other people who need work who could do that.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Nice!
cortex:
And there's a bunch of other little contracty things too. Basically, go look at Jobs. Because jobs. Jobs are there.
jessamyn:
Yeah! There are some jobs.
cortex:
This has been Jobs. [Laughs] All right, let's uh... [awkward noises] Another 5 years of this, it'll feel natural.
jessamyn:
[Laughs] 119 pods. Wait, and you showed up when, with the pods?
cortex:
Oh, like 2008, 2009. I'd been working here for a little bit before I got on
'cause my first--
jessamyn:
And supplanted Matt Haughey with your slow-motion quest for podcast domination.
cortex:
[chuckles] Right.
jessamyn:
"Here's my scheme. It'll take 8 years, but eventually..."
cortex:
"Eventually it'll all be up and running and I'll be thoroughly half-assing it."
jessamyn:
"It'll all be mine!"
cortex:
Let's talk about Projects.
jessamyn:
Yeah!
cortex:
There's been a bunch of good projects, which is--
jessamyn:
Oh my God, Projects was so exciting.
cortex:
--you know, broken record, but still.
I liked a lot of stuff. I liked--let me just come out of the gate with something simple that I was very fond of: Louie the Dog horror movie posters.
jessamyn:
What?
cortex:
Sorry, I--
jessamyn:
I didn't hear that right, did I?
cortex:
"Louie the Dog" horror movie posters.
jessamyn:
OK Josh, the word h-o-r-r-o-r.
cortex:
Horror.
jessamyn:
'Cause I heard "dog whore."
cortex:
Oh, yeah, Louie the Dog Whore.
jessamyn:
[Laughs]
cortex:
[Accent of some kind] It's real whore show!
jessamyn:
A whore shoooow!
cortex:
Well, and--
jessamyn:
Oh my God!
cortex:
And then there's what--[tries alternate pronunciation] HARR-er?
Have we done the horror/harrer thing before? We probably have.
jessamyn:
I say harrer.
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. "Louie the Dog" harr-er movie posters...
jessamyn:
Holy crap, this is the *best*.
cortex:
This is from Uncle Glendinning, and it's just a few little, like, dog horror movie posters about what would be a horror--
jessamyn:
Things dogs don't like!
cortex:
thing for a dog, yeah.
jessamyn:
For instance, the bath, the vacuum, and thunder. Oh God. [Laughs] So stupid.
cortex:
It's just super cute, it's fantastic.
jessamyn:
[Still laughing] Thank you so much for linking me this.
cortex:
Yes.
And heck, that "Thunder of Doom" one is halfway too sort of, [???] aesthetic, tying everything together. But yeah, I thought that was cute. Good work Uncle Glendunnnn--Glendinning! Enunciation.
jessamyn:
So, because we haven't mentioned ignignokt somehow this month yet.
cortex:
[laughs] It's been like, 7 minutes!
jessamyn:
I know! I will also have to highlight the bots
that he did, which are Pokemon in Space and Pokemon in the NYPL. So, I do have to take a little side conversation. Josh.
cortex:
Yes.
jessamyn:
You been doing the Pokemon stuff?
cortex:
I am!
jessamyn:
Okay.
cortex:
I haven't been in--
jessamyn:
I am also doing the Pokemon things.
cortex:
How's it going for you on the Pokemonning stuff?
jessamyn:
Well, rural Pokemon is really just sadness, but I lit some incense and lay in bed and waited for them to come to me last night, and that worked out okay.
cortex:
Yeah, I haven't tried that yet. I should try that at some point.
jessamyn:
It feels like cheating?
I mean, I feel like it's a thing you add to the game for little children who can't otherwise do the game, if you know what I mean.
cortex:
Well, if it makes you feel any better, there's also a horrible dark side to it, which is, you know--incense that you can find at random occasionally, but in general you just need to spend actual human dollars in order to acquire more if you want them, so it's--
jessamyn:
Oh!!
cortex:
It's also hugely exploitative. So you can feel good about it for now.
jessamyn:
Oh, okay, well, I find the whole thing exploitative, right? You find these little creatures in the wild and trap them and make them fight?
cortex:
Oh yeah.
jessamyn:
Like, that's barbaric, right?
cortex:
Yes. Yeah.
jessamyn:
Like, if it's a card game, it's one thing, but if it's a little thing that cries real tears, like, that's hard for me.
cortex:
Yeah. It's like--"oh my God, are you playing Dog Fighting too?" "Yeah, no, I love it, it's great! I've been having so much fun dog fighting!" It's like, aaaaah, stop!
jessamyn:
[laughs] "I've been starving my dog so my dog is really hungry."
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
"I find it helps if you, you know--" Yeah, I can't even talk about dog abuse, but for some reason I can whip my worms into a frenzy so they can... I mean, I don't know. I've gotten as far as learning what a PokeStop is.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
We don't have Pokegyms or other people who play.
cortex:
Yeah, there's a real weird--
jessamyn:
The whole thing hit while I was on my road trip.
cortex:
Oh.
jessamyn:
So we were like at the Shot Tower in Dubuque, Iowa, being like "ooh-err-ooherrr!" and then suddenly there's a bunch of kids with their phones, and I'm like, "there's no way they're here for the shot tower."
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
"What is happening? What is happening?" And then we figured out the thing, but only kind of what you could read in the news on your phone while you're driving 6 hours a day?
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Anyhow.
cortex:
Which, that Shot Tower thing, I said as much on your picture on MLKSHK, but I totally missed that back when you made a post about it.
jessamyn:
Right!
cortex:
And those are great!
jessamyn:
They *are* great, and there's not that many, and there's only *one* on that side of the Mississippi, and we saw it quite by accident because we were just killing time in frickin' Dubuque on our way to [???].
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Today's the day I'm gonna write up the second half of my trip, and I'll probably put that somewhere on Metafilter just because I think people might enjoy it.
cortex:
Excellent. Yeah, I'm gonna throw in the link to your old post here,
because it's such a neat thing to discover--
jessamyn:
Oh, good!
cortex:
...Shot towers.
jessamyn:
Well, and then my other picture that turned out to be the thing that you had a post about, but we can talk about that when we talk about AskMetafilter.
Clip:
lucasgonze, "Angeline the Baker"
jessamyn:
So. Back to...
cortex:
Back to Pokemon Go!
jessamyn:
Bachhhhhh. But you know how you can look for anybody maybe on Metafilter who doesn't know this, it's kind of an augmented reality thing, so you can look at a picture of your pajamas, and there's a Pokemon on your knee, kind of thing. And so you can use this to take funny pictures
of Pokemon in the real world, and ignignokt basically made a bot that just takes Pokemons and puts them over pictures of things at the New York Public Library. And then there's one in space.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
And that's really all there is to it, but it's cute. And I like it.
cortex:
It's yeah, it's nice. It's nice work. And I'm really kind of curious to see what happens with Pokemon Go, not so much as a game
because the game is whatever it is. If you're aware of Ingress, then it's a reskin of that, essentially, just a massively--
jessamyn:
Which I wasn't, and it's been interesting for me to learn about that, because I'm always like, "How does this work? Why is there a thing here or not here or whatever?"
cortex:
Yeah. And at the moment, Ingress is definitely a better game as a featured video game that works well and has stuff to do, but Pokemon has Pokemon, so boom! But yeah, I've been really enjoying the pop cultural riffing of the Pokemon Go explosion, so I'm curious
to see where that ends up a couple more months down the line.
jessamyn:
Well, and I kind of missed the first time, like--Jim had a kid, has a kid, but who's not a kid anymore, who was into Pokemon, and so Jim kind of lives in the Pokemon slipstream, understands what the things are, and at least some of the references, whereas I'm just like, "Oh, it's a thing you can do with your phone! Blah, interesting!"
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah.
jessamyn:
I suspect I won't go very far with it, but it's fun to talk to other people my age,
and being like, "Oh, you doing the Pokemons?" and seeing what they say.
cortex:
Yeah, and you can learn the basics of it through pretty minimal casual play. I have not been playing it seriously, I've been pulling it out when I pull it out.
jessamyn:
Yeah.
cortex:
But it's one of those things that's like, hey, you know, it's a great excuse to go for a walk, and me and Angela tend to like going for walks.
jessamyn:
Jim and I do the same thing. And it makes me stop at all the churches, because those are the only Pokestops around here. We're pretty much in rural noplace.
cortex:
Yeah, and we don't even bother walking to Pokestops, because there's--we're in a--
jessamyn:
You're in a city. [chuckles]
cortex:
Well, I mean, we're in a residential neighborhood of a city, and so it's not super thick with the Pokestops, but they're around, and so if you just sort of walk your usual route, you'll go past a few if you walk a mile or so. And I'm not playing super seriously, so it's not like I'm getting rid of all the items you find at Pokestops very quickly, so we just sort of wander around, but you stop to get Pokemon themselves, if a Pokemon shows up, "Oh, okay, well, I've gotta try and catch this guy." And so it's a great excuse to go for a walk,
but it also sort of fucks up the walk a little bit, 'cause like, "okay now, just hold on, I've gotta--naw, this fucking zoobat, man..."
jessamyn:
I have to keep Jim out of people's yards.
cortex:
Oh. See...
jessamyn:
Because he's just kind of wandering around, and the line between the front yard and the road is... unclear?
cortex:
Well, yeah. And that might be a little less thoroughly structured.
jessamyn:
And Westport, Massachusetts, where I am for the summer, has the highest gun ownership per capita--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
...in the state, and Jim has really long hair, and a man-bun now...
which means there's a whole new class of people who might dislike him, 'cause maybe they think he's a hipster? Like, it's... who even knows. So yeah. One of us has to at least keep half an eye out for that kinda thing.
cortex:
Yeah. It's a weird thing. But another--ooh, that's the wrong link--another project I liked is "I Split on Your Grave" by suetanvil, which I think I finally parsed correctly going in the first time.
jessamyn:
suetanvil, also a person I have met.
cortex:
Excellent.
jessamyn:
It's very exciting, all around.
cortex:
This is the 'people...in...' nah, I was going for like, "these are the people in your neighborhood," but then I wanted to go like "these are the Daves I know I know," and it all fell apart.
jessamyn:
And then we have to talk about the fact that they fired Gordon and Bob. On Sesame Street. And I'm still mad.
cortex:
Agh, Jesus, oh yeah, oh man, oh man, frickin' HBO.
jessamyn:
What can they not ruin?
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
So tell me what this is?
cortex:
So "I split on 'your grave'" is just a series of code examples by suetanvil, that from the comments in the Projects post, they did for exactly the right reason, which is that the name made them giggle when they thought of it. There's a--do you know the movie "I Spit on Your Grave?"
jessamyn:
Yeah.
cortex:
Okay, so, that obviously is a play on that--so "I split on 'your grave'" with quotes around 'your grave,' the premise here is--
jessamyn:
It teaches you how to do like, [???] stuff, or...?
cortex:
Sort of. Like, a small subset. Like, the concept of splitting a string on a specific "this is where it should split" delimiter is a real common thing in a lot of programming contexts, and it's something that if you had, say, a comma-separated list of terms, and you wanted to turn that into one term, is an item each in something instead of a big long sentence, you would split on the comma, right? So you'd have your program go through and find the commas--
jessamyn:
Sure.
cortex:
And take the sentence and say--
jessamyn:
Which is an easy thing for robots to do.
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah, so you say, okay.
The comma is the splitting delimiter there. That's the thing that it's gonna find and chuck away and then split the list in two at that point.
jessamyn:
Okay.
cortex:
But the thing is, you can use anything for a delimiter, and sometimes you wanna use other stuff. Maybe you have a tab-separated list. Maybe you're trying to break up a list by appearances by someone's name, and turn a big, long paragraph into a bunch of lines of dialogue, you know--
jessamyn:
Yup.
cortex:
Any number of arbitrary things. So you can use whatever you want as a delimiter, including the phrase 'your grave.' So if you decide to use some code examples
about splitting on the phrase 'your grave,' you can call it 'I split on your grave,' and then cortex giggles.
jessamyn:
Perfect!
cortex:
That's pretty much the whole thing! So I'm delighted by this.
jessamyn:
Does what it says on the tin.
cortex:
And there you go. So yeah, I liked that, I was amused.
jessamyn:
Great! I enjoyed jedicus's project about the Supreme Court database.
cortex:
Oh yeah, yeah.
jessamyn:
It's a cc-licensed database of the Supreme Court decisions, and it's searchable by a whole bunch of things.
It goes from 1791 to 2015, and it's got an *Online Analysis Tool* so if you're like, "oh great, a data dump, how lovely"--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
They actually have basically what's a faceted search, which is kind of badass in this, like--okay. So, I kind of got in a fight with my boss. Not a fight, but one of those things where like, we were talking about how OpenLibrary is or is not like a library in the 21st century, besides
that it uses the L-word, right?
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
And so we talked about, What does a library do, What does OpenLibrary do, What does OpenLibrary not do. So it's great for lending books, it's great for looking stuff up, we don't do--for instance--any reference work. So you can't ask us a question about the world, you know? You can ask us a question about our collection. Sort of. But we don't answer reference questions.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
And I was like, "Well, we don't do that." And my boss, who is tech and not library, was like
"Yeah, but you're talking about like, the implementation of something-something, what about the goals?" And I'm like, I think the goal is, you have a human being who does reference. And in his world, the goal is, you have search that works *so well*, that no one has to ask a reference question.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Which, in kind of an idealized, "Wouldn't it be great if there were no poor people anymore?" thing, I can get behind, and otherwise I wanted to kill him.
cortex:
Yeah...
jessamyn:
Like, I literally spent like a day and a half being like,
"Oh my God, I'm wasting my life trying to talk to this guy," who otherwise is wonderful, like, he's a really good guy, very optimistic, very positive, but his view is really that you get to a point where you don't need humans for it anymore.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
And my point is, you build a beautiful search, that you minimize human interaction, but you still maybe need it, and so one of the things I kind of love about this project, is that the searchy thing has--I mean, it's kind of ugly,
because it's a *reeeeeally* long setting-the-parameters thing, but instead of making you learn some kind of fucking query language, they just have check-boxes and things that normal people understand.
cortex:
Yeah. Exactly.
jessamyn:
Like, the query that this thing builds has got to be the ugliest fucking thing ever, *but* you can really figure out if the vote went conservative or liberal, if the justice wrote an opinion or not, if it was a state apple-ate court case or--appellate court case?--blahblahblahblahblah, the things it lets you do,
somebody clearly went through some time and care to make this readable by humans, and usable by humans, even though it's not a sexy-looking search page, and as well I'm sure the query is awful, but they wanted to give people the highest utility for finding things.
cortex:
Yeah. Well, and it's okay if the query's awful, 'cause it's just some computer...
jessamyn:
The computer doesn't care!
cortex:
Exactly.
jessamyn:
You're not gonna hurt its feelings! It doesn't matter.
cortex:
Well, and I like that, that it is a large interface but it's not necessarily actually a complex one.
jessamyn:
Right! Right, right!
cortex:
So you can learn to use the pieces you want to use pretty easily.
jessamyn:
And they've tried to break it into sets, so that you can eyeball it and figure out what's going on. Like, the archive, the way you actually on the back end, as a staff person, access content, is through this awful ugly checkboxes thing, where you literally do have to send a query string which is in the URL if you want to explain to somebody something about a set of items.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
And so our Slack is just littered
with these 20-line query string dumps that are so... bad. You know?
cortex:
Yeah, yeah, no.
jessamyn:
Because engineers are like, "I don't know, who cares?"
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
So. This project made me happy again.
cortex:
Yeah! No, it's really neat. Yeah no, the interface on it reminds me of the interface for the relationship between the infodump files that we generate that are just the raw files--
jessamyn:
Right!
cortex:
and then the interface on the front of the infodumpster, which is the
unofficial interface into the infodump that Combustible Edison Lighthouse maintains.
jessamyn:
Oh, right right right!
cortex:
And it's the same sort of thing. You can get more, if you want to get really wonky about it, writing your own custom scripts or queries or importing the database yourself and querying that way, you can get more out of the infodump than you can get from the infodumpster with the available fields, but at the same time, most people who just want to poke around are gonna find so much more use from the infodumpster,
'cause they can just go and, you know, yeah, do a simple search, look at some of these various options that are available, you know, throw a couple things together.
jessamyn:
And that'll be fine for them.
cortex:
Exactly!
jessamyn:
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah!
cortex:
So it's--serving both of those needs is a really good way to go. So yeah, no, that is rad. That is a cool project and I had not actually looked at that interface, so that's neat.
jessamyn:
Yeah! Well, I always like, head straight for the search.
cortex:
You know, I started looking at the data instead, 'cause I got interested, like, well, I wondered--could I do something funky, but it's really metadata about the cases rather than the text, so.
jessamyn:
Right. Josh is like, "How do I turn this into a Garfield comic?"
cortex:
Exactly! It doesn't have quite the right information yet, so--
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
so I need to look elsewhere. But I think that other data may be out there too. But anyway, very cool.
jessamyn:
Yeah!
cortex:
I really liked this project by duffell, "it's all GRSSK to me," which is just a wonderful, simple premise.
jessamyn:
Oh my God, it's so confusing.
cortex:
So people like to spell stuff with like, Russian characters to make it look sort of Russian-ish,
but they're still spelling it in English with lookalike characters? So like, you know, a backwards 'R', a backwards 'N', various other Cyrillic characters that look sort of characters and so you use that instead of the English character to say, "Oh, by the way, this is sort of--"
jessamyn:
Right. Evocative.
cortex:
...A Russian thing! Yeah. And also, I think,
maybe there's Greek in here too, but basically, so what duffell has done is taken these and then translate the weird mishmash into the actual English transliteration, and of course every time it's complete nonsense, because a backwards 'R' isn't an R, a backwards 'N' isn't an N... a Greek, you know, E (Σ) isn't really an E--
jessamyn:
"Let the good times gphll" hehehe, this is so clever! I love it.
cortex:
Yeah, so I was pretty pleased with it.
jessamyn:
"SLT MS, EAT ME," hahahaha! This is great.
cortex:
Yep.
jessamyn:
I've seen duffell all over the place on Metafilter in the last like, maybe 2 or 3 months. Like, duffell's not a new user, is he?
cortex:
I don't think so, uh...
jessamyn:
No! He's been around since 2006. I don't know why suddenly I see him everywhere.
cortex:
Maybe...
jessamyn:
Like, in a good way, like you know, being helpful on MetaTalk and doin' a bunch of stuff.
cortex:
I don't know if it's because he's been more active lately or if it's just one of those, like, the intersection of your shared attentions to the site
just line up at the right time, yeah, it's--
jessamyn:
Yeah, yellow pig 17 kind of thing, where you just see it as soon as you start thinking about seeing it.
cortex:
Yeah, exactly. Speaking of users and longtime users and whatnot, we had I think the new record for signing up after starting and stopping in the middle of the process the other day--
jessamyn:
Noooo!
cortex:
Someone finished signing up after 11 years.
jessamyn:
NO.
cortex:
Yeah, they were having trouble. It's like, "no, yeah, I think I see why maybe there was a problem!" Like, I think it was enough of a gap that somehow that screwed up the Paypal
workflow for them.
jessamyn:
[laughs] Really? Paypal's like, "Uh, this is a fraud alert."
cortex:
Yeah, that's the thing. I think they successfully paid for it, and then somehow it just didn't sync up correctly.
jessamyn:
Yeah.
cortex:
Possibly because the account structure had changed in the ensuing, you know, upwards of a decade, so. But I'm always pleased when that happens.
jessamyn:
That's great! You know who the user is? Or is it a secret, or can we say...
cortex:
I don't remember offhand.
jessamyn:
Okay.
cortex:
I don't know if they've even become active since I helped them
get the account working.
jessamyn:
That's great, through.
cortex:
You know, it's one of those things where I always worry a *little* bit if someone's coming back to an account way later, like, "Oh man, I was gonna go spam!"
jessamyn:
Right.
cortex:
But I don't think that's happened either, so. No, I think it's just someone who finally got around to signing up.
jessamyn:
Nice. Lovely.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
I loved--I saw this on MLKSHK, and then I just noticed that it's a project, but komara--
cortex:
YES!
jessamyn:
...does this really cool kind of, you know, he makes skulls out of paper maiche and then wears them on a skeleton costume for Mardi Gras.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
And I had seen in the past, he did this kind of pumpkin-head picture, like--pumpkin-head head, but then he wore it with a suit in front of a graveyard, and it was just--he's not only a very talented dude who does this stuff, but he's actually also a very good photographer, so his Flickr stream in general is really good.
cortex:
Yeah, the documentation's great.
jessamyn:
So the picture of him in the suit with the hat is good, but then he took this composite picture, which is him
wearing all the pictures composited in one room, so it's basically 6 hims with 6 outfits, in sort of a single picture.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
I don't even know if he's in a museum, or if this is his house, who knows? But I've been following along with him and his outfits for years, and so it's been cool to see all of these together, and the composite photo itself is actually quite good and interesting.
cortex:
Yeah, yeah, the photo's great,
the gallery stuff is great, I was so happy he posted. He actually wrote, 'cause he had posted it on MLKSHK, right?
jessamyn:
Yeah, that's where I saw it.
cortex:
People were commenting there, and then he wrote to me and was like, "Hey, this probably isn't a Project, right?" and I was like, "DUDE!" No! You should--
jessamyn:
Right! It's a composite photo, it's actually sort of a complex photo, yeah.
cortex:
Yeah, and I was like yeah, you've processed stuff, put it together, and yeah--post it, 'cause it's awesome. So yes, I'm glad he did that. And hey, I've met him! So there we go. I've met people too, you know.
jessamyn:
Of course you have!
cortex:
Anyway. [laughs]
jessamyn:
Oh! Maybe this is a good time to say a specific thank-you shoutout for Metafilter user eamondaly--you've been to Chicago, right?
cortex:
Yeah! Yeah yeah yeah.
jessamyn:
Like, not only were there two meetups for us coming to Chicago, me and my sister and Jim, but they turned into like, we had wine by the Chicago River, and then we watched people dance in the park, then we had wine by the river, then we went to this 96th floor
bar where you can view, with huge windows, that you can view all of Chicago, and eamon slipped the waiter a $20 or something so that we could get a great seat by the window, and then, he helped me drive back to his house where everybody came back for a nightcap and then we hung out, and then he put me and my sister up in guest rooms, and we had breakfast with him the next day before we headed off on our road trip.
He is as wonderful as he seems on the Internet, and we spent almost an entire day with him. He's great, his wife is great, all of the Chicago mefites who came out, thank you so much, it was great to see you and it was super fun, so like, thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up all the way around.
cortex:
Chicago definitely a top-tier meetup town. I had a fantastic time when I went through there years ago.
jessamyn:
Yeah. I saw all sorts of little things in Chicago, like we took a walk from one meetup to the next meetup and they made sure I saw the fun fountain and some of the other stuff, and I just felt really well taken care of.
My sister was like, "Oh my God, everybody's awesome," it was great.
cortex:
Did you end up at The Billy Goat at all?
jessamyn:
We didn't go to The Billy Goat, and I'm not sure why. Like, we were near The Billy Goat, but it was just a lovely day out, so we just wound up at this kinda fancy-ish wine place by the river.
cortex:
That seems like an okay call. I mean, The Billy Goat's really kind of a dungeon.
jessamyn:
Like a subterranean, yeah.
cortex:
Yeah, like, I really liked it--that's where we did that photo, the old--
jessamyn:
Yes! I actually was looking that up.
cortex:
Yeah, the Last Supper photo.
jessamyn:
Yeah, and the only downside was, as you've probably read, pjern got in his accident with the guy on the wrong side of the road--
cortex:
Oh, yeah.
jessamyn:
...on his way to the meetup, and so--
cortex:
Oh, jeez.
jessamyn:
...not only did I *not* get to meet him and IndigoRain, super shoutout for IndigoRain for handing that situation--
cortex:
Yessss.
jessamyn:
...which was very unhappy, but it just wound up being a really difficult thing for pjern to get home and everything else.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
I'm sorry I missed meeting him.
cortex:
Yeah. But yeah, well, as long as we brought it around to a downer note, that's the important thing.
jessamyn:
Weeeell, I did my best.
cortex:
[laughs] Anything else you wanna mention specifically from Projects?
jessamyn:
No, that was sort of the bulk, the bulk of everything. I'm sure I'll remember exactly the thing I wanted to mention, as--everything is always awesome in Projects, so it's always hard to pick.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
But you know, creative-commons licenses does sort of set off the Jessamyn alarm, so.
cortex:
Yeah, that is in your wheelhouse. I think there was at least one roguelike project that I forgot to mention, too.
jessamyn:
Oh, wait a second! No, there is one more. Sorry! I didn't notice that xingcat had put up his "men's long hair" YouTube thing.
cortex:
Oh, yeah yeah! Yeah, that was just the other day.
jessamyn:
And I've been following along with his, you know, he's got a ton of videos--long hair for men--super interesting. They're really good, and yeah, they're just all the way around, I follow him on Instagram, so I sometimes watch the videos, I sometimes don't--I send Jim to them occasionally, to talk. But it's like, if you've got long hair and you're a dude
and you would like somebody to give you good advice about this, that, and the other: so good.
cortex:
"Ten years ago" me would've been all over that.
jessamyn:
Yes! You're still sticking with the short hair, right?
cortex:
Yeah! I'm running with it. I've been enjoying it, it's nice.
jessamyn:
Good, looks good! I've kept mine long for the summer, which is nutty.
cortex:
Right now mine looks kinda like a shaggy late '70s, early '80s thing, that really I just need a haircut, but--
jessamyn:
I dunno, shaggy--maybe you just need a brief undercut over your ears and [???] be all on point.
cortex:
Well yeah, that's the thing, I could probably get just a cleanup of what it is right now and keep it more or less
at this length and kinda like it, but...
jessamyn:
I mean, the great thing about having long hair is you just never have to get anybody to cut it. I had somebody like, color my underhair, so I've got sort of pink hair like all the middle-aged ladies do nowadays--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
...and I found that was pretty much all I needed to do, and I haven't seen the inside of a barber in yeah, I don't know when.
cortex:
There's... uh, ah, what they hell was I gonna say? I lost it. I lost a thing. There was a thing and I lost it.
jessamyn:
Something about your shaggy whatnot?
cortex:
Something about hair.
jessamyn:
The undercut?
cortex:
OH! You know, the shaggy hair.
Well, okay, so this is sort of weird tangent, but...
jessamyn:
Heh. Heh.
cortex:
We just watched Stranger Things. On Netflix?
jessamyn:
What's that?
cortex:
It's this new Netflix original series, it's sort of a...
jessamyn:
Oh! I think Matt was just telling me about that. Kinda like pseudo-horror?
cortex:
Yeah, it's like--
jessamyn:
YES!
cortex:
X-Files meets ET meets Stand By Me, sort of weird mashup of horror and early '80s...
jessamyn:
That was exactly--we were having dinner with Slap*Happy and his wife, and they'd just started this also. What's your take?
cortex:
It's really good! I enjoyed it a lot.
jessamyn:
What does it have to do with your hair?
cortex:
My hair feels like it's a period piece, like it's--
jessamyn:
[laughs] Oh, I see!
cortex:
My hair is exactly--if I wanted to do a dumb, jokey riff on it...
jessamyn:
You'd feel like a guy from that.
cortex:
Yeah, I feel like my hair is right there right now. You know, if I wanted to try and make a related early-'80s joke, basically.
jessamyn:
Yeah, they basically told us it was kind of horror-y, and I was like, "Ehhhhh." But they were like, "Well, maybe more thriller-y." And I was like, "thriller-y I can get behind, horror-y completely not."
cortex:
Yeah, it's not pure horror. It's like, it's got some supernatural, there's some monster stuff, but it's not like, it's not--
jessamyn:
But like, monster's not horror to me necessarily--
cortex:
It's not slasher--it's not like, killing nubile teenagers as a theme or anything.
jessamyn:
Or just splatter stuff, which I can't. Anything that is now telling me to stay out of the woods, I've had it with.
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
Although--another thing that has nothing to do with MetaFilter, but like, Jim got lyme disease.
cortex:
I saw a reference of that! Like, yeah.
jessamyn:
Speaking of the woods. He basically got it 2 days before our trip,
and so--I mean, he's fine now, which is the only way I can joke about it, but yeah. He didn't get the normal bullseye, was just kind of feeling like shit, he's got really good doctors, and his tests were negative, and then like 6 or 7 days into this tiredness and fever that won't go away, he broke out in a disgusting rash, and the doctor was like, "OH!" and then got on medicine and was on the way to feeling better. But I've always been trying to not be one of those "stay out of the woods" people, and now I've become
completely timid again about going into the woods around here.
cortex:
Yeah. Well, lyme disease is such a fuckery thing, I've known a couple people who've had the experience of figuring out only belatedly that that's what's going on, and it's like--aghhh, it's just shitty.
jessamyn:
Well, and especially because there is that kind of concern that if you have it for a long time, you can have long-term effects.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
I mean, Jim basically just kind of felt shitty for a week or two, which is not awesome, but you know,
then he just got doxycycline and had to stay out of the sun for two weeks, and he's fine.
cortex:
Yep.
jessamyn:
But yeah, it was just--he was just a limp rag, and probably was getting it on the trip, you know--
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
But like, you're on the trip, and so it's like, "ahhh, road food, we're sleeping funny, who knows?"
cortex:
Yeah, just run with it.
jessamyn:
Right. Well, what are you gonna do? Like, he wasn't doctor-level sick.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
But then he got home and slept for two days, and was like, "ohhhhh, maybe there's something to this."
cortex:
[chuckle]
Clip:
ageispolis, "Through the Ocean"
cortex:
Let's move on to Metafilter.
jessamyn:
Let's move on to Metafilter. So, I had that thing happen on Metafilter that sometimes happens to me, where I see the *best* thing on the Internet,
and I come to Metafilter to come post it, only to find that zarq has already made the best post about it.
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
And seriously, like zarq--I was coming to just kind of "one and done" link it, like "look at this, it's funny" and zarq put together this really great post. So the thing in question is called "The Weed Route"--not what you think. It's essentially, there was a railroad that went between Montana and Cedar Falls, Washington by the Chicago-Milwaukee Railroad,
for whatever reason, and zarq explains this in the post, they were gonna decommission that railroad, and so these two guys in 1980 got a speeder, like a little railroad car that you zip down railroad tracks--
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Just to like, go fix it and stuff? Not even--like a car, like an automobile car, not a car like a railroad car--and went down from almost 2000 miles of track to document it, and so this is all--
and then *just* made a website recently. And so this is all photographs from 1980 of these guys in this railway maintenance car taking photos. And so it's all slice of life, slice of America, very '80s, beautiful photographs, Flickr set so you can look at them. And so I got there to Metafilter and was like, "augh, but I wanted to post this!" and so I wound up making a comment looking up some of the locations
that were in those photos, like this old diner, that old hotel, blah blah blah--
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
and figuring out what had actually happened to those things, you know.
cortex:
That's some solid value-add, you're really synergizing your posting experience.
jessamyn:
I try! So figuring out what happened to this hotel, figuring out--and of course, there was a train snow-plow picture, which hearkens back to my train snow-plow picture post of 2010.
cortex:
What was the train snow-plow post?
jessamyn:
I made a post about train snow-plows, Josh.
cortex:
Oh, okay, well that makes sense.
jessamyn:
Don't you remember every post I every made?
cortex:
[laughs] I don't really, like--
jessamyn:
You *wound* me.
cortex:
I don't--oh, but I *do* remember this now, actually. Oh yeah, I fuckin'--
jessamyn:
It was, it was a good post.
cortex:
Yeah! Oh, it's so rad-looking.
jessamyn:
It was also a really long time ago.
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah, I've decided definitely 6 years ago is probably when I no longer remember things that I have definitely seen, so.
jessamyn:
Fair, fair.
cortex:
Yeah, yeah that thing plowing right through the--it's like it's plowing through the snow, that snow-plow!
jessamyn:
Haaaaaaa!
cortex:
It's amazing!
jessamyn:
But like, it just made me happy, because Metafilter consistently still, when there's like "neat thing on the Internet," somebody does it justice by making a post and sharing it with people, so even with all the fuckery of bad politics and bad shootings and everything else, which I also think deserves attention, there is this kind of fun stuff as well.
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah no, I'm looking through my favorites and recent activity,
and picking out the stuff that isn't just like, politics or terrible stuff--it's been a busy month for politics obviously, we did the whole... [sigh] the convention season is upon us, or has come and gone--
jessamyn:
Did both conventions happen this month? They did, didn't they?
cortex:
Yeah! Yeah, back-to-back, one week and then the next, which is--I mean, it's probably a good thing to get that done, and I think that's not atypical as far as the scheduling, but it's also [sigh] this whole election season
has been really--and we've talked about this, I think, probably every podcast briefly all year--
jessamyn:
Well, and I've participated in some of the MetaTalk threads about it too, just you know, to see what people are--
cortex:
Yeah. But it's been *definitely* a whole lot crazier, like 2012 was almost a vacation of an election cycle.
jessamyn:
Hah. Hah.
cortex:
2008, as I remember it, was pretty crazy, and then 2012 we were sort of bracing for it, and it was still--I mean, it was a pain in the ass
because it was an election season, but it was like, I was really, really braced for it in 2012, and then it was like, oh, you know, "actually, I guess, maybe I was just new at the job," and then this year has been like, "no, no, it was just--" because this is super crazy again. And yeah, so the RNC and then the DNC, we ended up doing a thread a day for each of the four days of both of those--
jessamyn:
Right, and I kind of saw that going together--
cortex:
And I think that worked out well.
jessamyn:
And it seemed like it actually went together!
cortex:
Yeah, no, 'cause we ended up with a
cortex:
2- or 3-thousand comment thread for *every* single day for each of the conventions.
jessamyn:
Oh, God.
cortex:
And if we tried to sort of stretch that out across, you know, one thread, I think it would've been--we would've hit apocalyptic levels of dissatisfaction with the fact that you can't even load the thread. I mean, I remember slogging through that epic Palin thread, and there was a certain sort of perverse stupid pride and grittiness to managing to continue to operate the thread once it hit 4000, 5000 comments, but it's not a great user experience, obviously.
jessamyn:
Right.
cortex:
So yeah, we ended up just doing that, one thread a day for each of those, and that worked out okay. Because it was also very live-bloggy, and so the threads grew pretty quickly, and now we're sort of coming out the other side of that and adjust back to "no, you know, we'll get a new thread in a few days, in a week." You don't just get a new thread every day. It's gonna, you know.
jessamyn:
Well, and now people can talk about the meta issues, like I saw there's a MetaTalk thread where people are like,
"aughhhh, this jokery is really difficult to parse for people who aren't great at parsing jokery."
cortex:
Yeah, yeah.
jessamyn:
As someone who actually asks you, Josh, to explain many of these jokes to me--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
Like, I super sympathize, because not everybody can just get you on chat and be like, "Josh, I don't understand the Internet, help me here."
cortex:
Yeah, you know, it's definitely a thing. And I haven't even read that MetaTalk yet that came in last night, so I'll catch up on that at some point.
jessamyn:
I mean, there's some legit concerns, but of course there's the meta-concerns where people want to kind of go lateral,
and people who just really are having a hard time anyhow following things, and so lateral makes everything that much more confusing.
cortex:
Yeah, it's difficult to find something that works for everybody, unfortunately--
jessamyn:
Sure.
cortex:
So I think it'll continue to be something that we have to sort of chat about and try and figure out a few compromises on, but...
jessamyn:
Yep. Yep.
cortex:
Yep. Anyway.
jessamyn:
I trust you'll do it well.
cortex:
It's been a whole lot of that, and then [chuckles] happy shoutout stuff--
Eyebrows McGee had her baby.
jessamyn:
Oh, I saw!
cortex:
She had--
jessamyn:
Babybrow!
cortex:
Yes, yes. [tries out [pronunciations of Anna Lucia] Anna Lu-chi-a, Anna Lu-sha, I don't remember which pronunciation it is.
jessamyn:
Ooh.
cortex:
This is what happens when you communicate with your team members strictly by text, it's like, "Sound?!"
jessamyn:
[singing Debaser by the Pixies] Anna Lucia, "un chien andalusia, uhhh-huh-huh," it's like a Pixies title.
cortex:
Oh, that's my new headcanon, it's definitely a sly Pixies reference.
jessamyn:
Yes. [quietly makes sound effects, pchoo, pchoo, pchoo]
cortex:
But yes, so she had her baby, and restless_nomad got married,
so happy joyous occasions all around--
jessamyn:
That is *lovely!* That's so great, what a great--congratulations, restless_nomad, congratulations Eyebrows McGee! Wonderful!
cortex:
I think there's a rad wedding video, but it was still in the process of being edited last time I heard, so we'll get a post up, I think, at some point about restless_nomad's--
jessamyn:
Was it, like, a big wedding? Did everybody go? Did you go?
cortex:
I think it was a relatively small wedding, but it did take place during critical moments, at least, on horses, so...
jessamyn:
Liar.
cortex:
No, no, I'm serious. This is like, when that video's ready to go, I, I definitely, if no one else gets around to it, I will make a MetaTalk post myself just to get that out there, 'cause it's amazing. There's great photos, uh, of them both sitting on horses and then the officiant also sitting on a horse wearing like a Viking hat and... yes. They did it up right. They know how to get married.
jessamyn:
Niiice.
cortex:
Um...
jessamyn:
Nice!
cortex:
But the thing is, both of these things happened, like, right in the middle of July, uh, Baby McGee was supposed to come along, uh, via C-section on, like, I think the twenty-first? And it's more like the eleventh, because, like--
jessamyn:
Oh god!
cortex:
-because they were like, "Oh hey, you're ready to go!" So we had to do some schedule rearranging on pretty short notice so I- it was simultaneously like managing daily liveblogs of the RNC, which were very busy,
jessamyn:
Right.
cortex:
-and also I think I worked something stupid like 60 hours that week just because, like-
jessamyn:
WHAAT? That's too many!
cortex:
It- it was. And it was a short term thing, it was like, you know what, [claps hands] I'm up for it, I'm just going to take it real easy and I'm just gonna handle this-
jessamyn:
And you were like, "I know this has a finite end to it, so..."
cortex:
Exactly. I was pretty crispy by, like, Saturday, but I was like, yup! I managed it, and now we're back to schedule as normal, as we just had to deal with a sudden glut of scheduling stuff. So yeah, it was a particularly intense experience for me, sort of like, this is the most RNC-ish RNC I have ever
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
or will ever experience! Thanks to this strange conglom- agglomeration of, uh... conglomeration? Of circumstances?
jessamyn:
Agglutination?
cortex:
Agglutination! [laughs]
jessamyn:
Confluence?
cortex:
Confluence is good. Uh, juxtaposition? Nexus? Uh...
jessamyn:
Uhhhm.
cortex:
This is the vocabulary for the transcribers portion of the podcast.
jessamyn:
Ehhhhhhrrrr. Yeah, what's the thing where all the railroads come together at the place? Junction?
cortex:
Junction! Yeah!
jessamyn:
Juncture?
cortex:
Juncture, junct- I think juncture's like, maybe more of a figurative place,
jessamyn:
Yeaahh...
cortex:
Like, "at this juncture,"
jessamyn:
A conjecture-
cortex:
-at this moment, at this
jessamyn:
A conjecture junction-
cortex:
Yes. Let's conjunct- let's conjecture about a- a juncture.
jessamyn:
HmmMMMmmm. Yeah, that's good.
cortex:
Philately. I enjoy... philately.
jessamyn:
Oh, and I think we should give a shoutout to the transcriptionists.
cortex:
Yes! [Laughs]
jessamyn:
Because they really went from kind of, "eh, it was kind of a thing that was sorta happening a little bit, whatever" and then there was a big post to MetaTalk, to be like, hey, why don't we get on this, and now they're on it.
jessamyn:
And it's wonderful for people who would prefer to read then listen, and a bunch of other kinds of people. So thank you, everybody.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Because it's just so nice that people have been getting together to do that.
cortex:
Yep!
jessamyn:
Hugely good for morale.
cortex:
It's a great thing, and it's, hey, it's fun to do! It's easy to do. Get in on it.
jessamyn:
Yeah! You can just do a little bit! And, Josh and I are, you know. Funny. And do things like "la-la-la-la-la-la!" You know.
cortex:
We're Hilarious.
jessamyn:
...hilarious.
cortex:
Uh... MetaFilter posts!
in his own town, or buy cigarettes in his own town, or the towns around him.
cortex:
Huh. Interesting.
jessamyn:
Yeah.
cortex:
Well, in a lot of places, anyway.
jessamyn:
Yeah. Aaaooh, this is so great. Oh! And should we do a little cut, for like 'this is when we're going to insert the calming music thing'? Or do you just want me to...
cortex:
Oh yeah! Well, let's just - you ready to go on that right now? Cos we can just do it right now and then I'll just slap it back earlier incongruously into the middle of the podcast.
jessamyn:
Yeah! I totally could, and then you can get your music links together, I'll just talk
for like, a minute?
cortex:
Yeah, I'll just shut up right here, go for it.
jessamyn:
Hold on, let me get the timer one minute, on Google. OK. You ready?
cortex:
Do it.
jessamyn:
OK...
Clip:
Relaxing music, continues in the background behind Jessamyn speaking
jessamyn:
So ah, thank you for transcribing this podcast. It's really nice of you to do this work. We're gonna take a little time, get a little space for ourself, maybe do a little body scan, make sure your fingers ... your wrists ... your elbows ... your upper arms ... and your shoulders, are all relaxed. Take a couple deep breaths
in through your nose, down through your lungs, into your belly, just take a deep breath in - one - deep breath out - two - we'll do that a couple times, while we step back from the keyboard, maybe focus our eyes, the medium length stare on something that's not our screen. Deep breath in, deep breath out,
set our intention for the rest of this podcast, and we'll go about our day. Thank you for helping us transcribe this podcast.
We're very helpful you're here. Helpful? Thankful? SHIT! That's fine! [music fades]
cortex:
95%
jessamyn:
Back to the monkey house!
cortex:
[laughs] Yeah, and I'll toss some nice synth piano under that or something
jessamyn:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever you want.
As long as it's calming and not that woooodley-woot jazz shit.
cortex:
I've got a couple of great electric pianos that sound like they came from somewhere in the 80s, so that'll work.
jessamyn:
Like your haircut?
cortex:
Yeah.
Clip:
Something that sounds for a moment like some woooodley-woot jazz shit but then goes all rock.
cortex:
Let's talk about AskMetafilter.
jessamyn:
OK!
cortex:
Tell me about AskMetafilter.
jessamyn:
Well. There were a tonne of, I thought, really interesting AskMetafilter... so, I was away for a couple of weeks and then I came back and I just like